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GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Granop » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:53 pm

Jean Baptiste Grano (b.1712) married Elizabeth Brodbelt (St Kitts/Nevis). At some stage they moved to Dominica. I am trying to establish who Jean Baptiste's parents were. He was born in St Etienne du cal de sac Marin, Martinique.
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby john hawkins » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:12 am

There are reasons beyond idle speculation to consider John Baptist Grano (trumpeter, flautist and composer), described in “Handel’s Trumpeter”, being the diary he kept while in debtors’ prison (Marshalsea 1728-1729) with added research by the author, John Ginger, as conceivably the same person as Jean Baptiste Grano, of the Martinique and Dominica family:

1. Grano was an unusual name in a British population and likely of Sicilian origin. The mother of John Baptist was French (Jane Villeneuve) while he himself was English born. His wife and most of his family changed their name to Granom.

2. The only clues we have to the origin of Jean Baptiste are George William Henry Grano’s description in 1885 at Ararat of his great grandfather as a “Merchant of St Kitts” and the Martinique records which apparently put the birth of Jean Baptiste Grano there, possibly from statements on the marriage to Elizabeth Brodbelt who is also put as born there in about 1823 despite her record earlier of birth in Nevis in about 1816. He certainly seems to have had his three sons born in Martinique about 1738, 1740 and 1746 and died sometime after this whereupon his wife and children migrated to Dominica.

3. There is a family story of Jean Baptiste’s father marrying the Spanish governor’s daughter and adopting the surname of Grano. There was no Spanish governor then and it was probably an altered version of a story belonging to the French family of Renault-Brioland whom they married into who did descend from Elizabeth Botreau-Roussel, granddaughter Sir James Russell, governor of Nevis 1657–1671, changing Russell to Roussel.

4. John Baptist was born in London between 1692 and 1696 and had a generally estimated death about 1748 although Ginger could find no record of it. Jean Baptiste has been estimated as born 1712 but this is probably a guess only based on his West Indies marriage

5. A scheme for settling debtors in America south of Carolina (Georgia) was implemented in 1733. Ginger thought it unlikely John Baptist would have been tempted by life on the frontier “if he was still alive in that year” but he does point out that John Baptist was still in danger from bailiffs for debt and had once before escaped to the Hague in 1719.
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Additional post 6 July 2016

In addition to the above posting the following details make the John Baptist to Jean Baptiste Grano transition a little more feasible.

John Baptist Grano was alarmed by his patron, the first Duke of Portland (Henry Bentinck 1882-1726), being a prominent victim of the South Sea Bubble in 1720. The duke was offered the governorship of Jamaica (1721 to his death in Spanish Town) to escape insolvency and Grano was to accompany him as state trumpeter for 200 pounds a year but for a last minute hitch in travelling arrangements which he later regretted.

Elizabeth Brodbelt, born Nevis about 1716 had a first cousin, Daniel Brodbelt born Nevis about 1700, who was a doctor in Jamaica from about 1733 and whose mother was a French Huguenot from Poictiers Vienne and brother of Rev Andrew Lortie, leading Huguenot émigré in London where she married Daniel. Incidentally, a volume of letters by his granddaughter, Jane Gardner Brodbelt, has been published as “Letters from Jane” but shed no light on our problem.

Since there is no record of John Baptist Grano after a notice in 12 December 1829 it is likely he made his escape from the threat of bailiffs and hiding in London. The most attractive place would be that to which he nearly went earlier, Spanish Town, Jamaica. This would have provided a cultural environment (unlike the Oglethorpe expedition to Georgia) where contact with the Brodbelts would seem inevitable especially with the French family background and possible familiarity with Lortie in London. The later move to Martinique would also seem natural for someone with French language and family connections. Dr Brodbelt was also a planter and invested in property and could well have provided work as well as a wife. Grano had been married when very young but that had not lasted long.

This scenario may be tenuous and depend on the correct identification of Elizabeth Brodbelt but is a useful hypothesis to start with.
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:37 pm

Jean-Baptiste GRANO married to Elisabeth BRODBET. I don't know anything about him but can suppose he went from Martinique to Dominica where his son Georges was married twice :
Marié le 15 juin 1770, Roseau (île de la Dominique), avec Marguerite Adélaïde Renault Briolland 1746, dont
Anne Adélaïde 1773-1807
Marié avec Marguerite Roger Bellair, dont :

William Henri 1786-1832
Propriétaire de l'habitation "L'attente" à la Dominique.
Né le 26 décembre 1786 - Pointe Michel (Dominique)
Baptisé le 23 avril 1787 - Roseau (Dominique)
Décédé en août 1832
À l'âge de 45 ans
Marié avec Henriette Emilie BELAIR, dont
Charlotte 1820-1894
Georges William 1831(leave Dominica to emigrate to Ararat in Australia. I am interested about knowing his family and current offspring

His sister Charlotte GRANO was my great great grandmother. She has about 900 descendants living today between Martinique, France, England, USA, etc... Most of them are french.

Charlotte GRANO, née le 9 mai 1820, Roseau (Ile de la Dominique), décédée le 1er janvier 1894, Saint Pierre (Martinique) (à l'âge de 73 ans).
Mariée le 17 janvier 1843, Roseau (île de la Dominique), avec Robert Mac HUGH, décédé le 28 décembre 1859, Castries (île de Sainte Lucie, Antilles), trésorier de Sainte-Lucie, gouverneur par intérim de la colonie, habitant propriétaire à Sainte-Lucie et à la Dominique, dont

1) Edouard Thomas Mc HUGH, né le 19 juin 1849, Castries (Sainte-Lucie).

2) Marie Emma Mc HUGH, née le 14 janvier 1851, Castries (Ste Lucie), baptisée le 1er mars 1851, Castries (Sainte Lucie), décédée le 24 avril 1876, Saint-Pierre (Martinique) (à l'âge de 25 ans).
Mariée le 7 octobre 1874, église de l'Immaculée-Conception, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), avec Alexandre VAUDEIN, né le 23 juillet 1852, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 12 avril 1883, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 30 ans).

3) Lilia Mc HUGH, née le 3 décembre 1852, Castries, Sainte Lucie, Antilles, décédée en 1909, Paris (à l'âge de 57 ans).
Mariée en 1872, Castries (Sainte Lucie), avec Anatole ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, né le 11 juin 1846, Saint- Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 6 octobre 1893, Saint- Pierre (Martinique) (à l'âge de 47 ans), propriétaire, dont

31)Henri ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 12 octobre 1873, Saint- Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 13 août 1952, Fort de France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 78 ans).
Marié le 12 novembre 1902, Le Lamentin (Martinique), avec Marguerite de Gentile, née le 24 septembre 1882, Saint-Pierre
(Martinique), décédée, dont

31a) Paul ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, né le 7 novembre 1903, Paris, décédé en janvier 1980 (à l'âge de 76 ans), Courtier maritime.
Marié le 9 juin 1928 avec Marie Louise de Laguarigue de Survilliers, née le 20 juillet 1908, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédée le 26 juillet 2001, Balata, Fort-de-France, Martinique, inhumée le 28 juillet 2001, Bellevue (Martinique) (à l'âge de 93 ans).

31b) Gaston, ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 1er novembre 1904, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédé le 8 mai 1979, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 74 ans). Marié le 14 février 1939, Morne Rouge (Martinique), avec Marie-Ange Marraud des Grottes, décédée.

31c) SimoneASSIER de POMPIGNAN , née le 2 octobre 1906, Fort-de-France.
Mariée le 26 juillet 1924, Fort-de-France, avec Pierre Hayot, né le 8 décembre 1901, Paris 17e, décédé en 1933 (à l'âge de 32 ans).

31d) Guy ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, né le 22 décembre 1908, Le Lamentin, Martinique, décédé le 1er août 1997, Paris, 75 (à l'âge de 88 ans), avocat, président de syndicat professionnel.
Marié le 22 août 1936, Fort-de-France, Martinique, avec Suzanne Bally, née le 1er août 1917, Fort-de-France, Martinique, décédée le 16 octobre 2009, Paris, inhumée le 20 octobre 2009, Paris (Saint-François de Sales) (à l'âge de 92 ans).

31e) Henri,ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, né le 17 janvier 1911, Le Lamentin, Martinique, décédé le 26 mai 1975 (à l'âge de 64 ans).
Marié le 31 juillet 1934, Le Carbet, Martinique, avec Anne-Marie Bally, née le 23 avril 1916, Fort-de-France, Martinique.

31f) Louise ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, décédée le 2 novembre 1970, Morne Rouge (Martinique).
Mariée le 27 novembre 1933, Fort-de-France, avec Pierre Dublancq Laborde, né le 27 février 1904, Fort-de-France, décédé le 24 mai 1945, Rivière-Salée (à l'âge de 41 ans).
Mariée avec Charles de Laguarigue de Survilliers, né le 22 novembre 1912, Le Lamentin (Martinique), décédé le 25 mars 2001, Guadeloupe, inhumé le 28 mars 2001, Ste Thérèse, Fort de France (à l'âge de 88 ans).

31g) Pierre ASSIER de POMPIGNAN
Marié avec Marie-Thérèse Hayot, née le 18 mars 1923, décédée le 11 septembre 2011, Draguignan, Var, inhumée, Régusse (Var) (à l'âge de 88 ans).


32) Gabrielle ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, née le 8 septembre 1876, Ile de la Dominique, Antilles, décédée.
Mariée le 18 novembre 1896, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), avec Gaston JOUYE de GRANDMAISON, né le 21 janvier 1871, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 8 mai 1902, Saint-Pierre (Martinique) (à l'âge de 31 ans), architecte ingénieur, dont

32a) Guy JOUYE de GRANDMAISON, né le 4 décembre 1897, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé.
Marié le 15 octobre 1919, Fort de France (Martinique), avec Lucie Hue, née le 3 février 1900, Pointe à Pitre (Guadeloupe).

32b) Daniel JOUYE de GRANDMAISON né en 1901, décédé en 1978 (à l'âge de 77 ans).
Marié le 5 octobre 1920, Paris 7e, avec Renée Pichevin, née le 19 juillet 1902, Fort-de-France (Martinique), divorcés.
Marié avec Ne Sévère.

32c) Marthe JOUYE de GRANDMAISON née le 25 janvier 1902, décédée le 29 février 1996, Fort de France, Martinique (à l'âge de 94 ans).
Mariée avec Marcel de Reynal de Saint-Michel, né le 23 décembre 1894, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédé.

Mariée le 11 avril 1904 avec Édouard Boullanger, né le 23 juin 1881, Saint-Pierre, Martinique, décédé le 15 janvier 1958, Schoelcher, Martinique (à l'âge de 76 ans), dont

32c) Édouard BOULLANGER
Marié avec Simone Beuzelin, née le 5 décembre 1914, Ducos (Martinique), décédée le 25 janvier 2003, Paris (à l'âge de 88 ans).
Marié avec Irène Steiger.

32d) André BOULLANGER né le 4 février 1907, Fort de France (Martinique), décédé vers 1970 (à l'âge de peut-être 63 ans).
Marié avec Hilda Hazard, née le 11 juillet 1914, New York city (New York, USA), décédée le 7 novembre 1970, Greenwich, Connecticut (USA) (à l'âge de 56 ans).

32e) Maurice BOULLANGER, Marié avec ? Chastenet.

32f) Gabriel BOULLANGER

32g) Marcel BOULLANGER, né le 26 mai 1924,
Fort de France, Martinique, décédé en 1988, Fort de France(972) (à l'âge de 64 ans).
Marié le 26 octobre 1944, Fort de France, Martinique, avec Simone Le Pelletier Beaufond, née le 24 octobre 1925.
Marié avec Gratianne Beuzelin, née le 5 juin 1947, Fort de France (Martinique).

32g) Simone BOULLANGER

32h) Marie-Thérèse BOULLANGER
Mariée en 1946 avec Henry Dormoy, né le 5 février 1926, décédé le 25 juin 2004, Miami, Floride (Etats-Unis) (à l'âge de 78 ans), divorcés.

33)Françoise ASSIER de POMPIGNAN

34) Cécile ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, née le 2 février 1880, Saint-Pierre (Martinique).
Mariée avec Édouard Dix, dont

34a) Édouard DIX
Marié avec Gertrude Ward.

Mariée avec Jules Salles Miquelle, dont

34b) Lilia SALLES MIQUELLE
Mariée avec Fred Maddles.

34c) Violette SALLES MIQUELLE
Mariée avec Laury Pink, décédé en 1951, Officier de police à la Jamaïque.

34d) Marie-Germaine SALLES MIQUELLE

34e)Lorraine SALLES MIQUELLE
Mariée avec Robert Bascom.

34f) Renée SALLES MIQUELLE, religieuse ursuline à la Barbade.

34g) Maurice SALLES MICELLE, né en 1922, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), décédé le 2 septembre 2002, Boca-Raton, Florida (USA) (à l'âge de 80 ans), magistrat puis avocat à Castries (Sainte-Lucie).
Marié en 1947, La Barbade, avec Denise de Gale, née, Grenade, baptisée, Port Ste Lucie, Florida (USA), décédée le 13 juillet 2003.

35) Robert ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 19 septembre 1881, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé.

36) René ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 24 juin 1883, Saint-Pierre (Martinique).

37) Maurice ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 30 novembre 1889, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 30 août 1952, Paris 7e, inhumé le 2 septembre 1952, Cimetière des Batignolles (Paris) (à l'âge de 62 ans), gouverneur des colonies.
Marié le 5 mars 1931, Fort de France (Martinique), avec Constance de Reynal de Saint-Michel, née le 31 mai 1908, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédée le 4 décembre 1984, Paris 15e (à l'âge de 76 ans), dont

37a) Christian ASSIER de POMPIGNAN né le 24 novembre 1931, Libreville (Gabon).
Marié le 21 novembre 1957, église St-Ferdinand des Ternes, Paris 17e, avec Annie Dugué.

37b) Raymond ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, né, Libreville (Gabon), décédé, Libreville (Gabon), décedé âgé de quelques mois.

37c) Marie-Josée ASSIER de POMPIGNAN née le 24 mars 1936, Libreville (Gabon), baptisée, Libreville par le père Marcel Lefebvre.
Mariée le 22 décembre 1956, Paris VII et à l'église Saint Pierre du Gros-Caillou par le père Jean de Carbonnières de Saint-Brice, avec Yves ROUGIER, né le 8 décembre 1927, Pau (Pyrénées-Atlantiques), décédé le 8 septembre 2001, Bayonne (Pyrénées-Atlantiques) (à l'âge de 73 ans).

37d) ) Jacqueline ASSIER de POMPIGNAN, née le 2 janvier 1938, Paris 9e.
Mariée le 18 juin 1960, Saint-Cyr sur Loire, avec Guillaume Tardif de Moidrey, né le 6 janvier 1937, Amiens (Somme).

4) Robert Georges Mc HUGH, né vers 1855, Castres (Sainte-Lucie), fondateur de la revue "The voice of Saint Lucia", conseiller, président du conseil municipal de Castries.
Marié le 8 septembre 1868, Ste-Lucie, avec Marie Rual de Lomel, dont

41) Eugénie Mc HUGH, née le 9 décembre 1870, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), décédée le 20 mars 1938, Fort-de-France (à l'âge de 67 ans).
Mariée le 29 août 1892, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), avec Joseph Plissonneau Duquène, né le 13 novembre 1864, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 18 mai 1902, Castries (Sainte-Lucie) (à l'âge de 37 ans), dont

41a) May PLISSONNEAU DUQUENE, décédée.
Mariée avec Robert Roulston.

41b) Louise PLISSONNEAU DUQUENE, née le 25 janvier 1895, Saint-Pierre, décédée le 11 janvier 1995, Versailles (à l'âge de 99 ans).
Mariée le 8 septembre 1913, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), avec Emmanuel Agis-Garcin, né le 14 octobre 1882, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 3 avril 1956, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 73 ans).

41c) Robert PLISSONNEAU DUQUENE, né le 21 octobre 1897, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédé le 20 janvier 1973, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 75 ans).
Marié avec Juanita Pichevin, née le 3 juin 1898, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédée le 23 janvier 1990, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 91 ans).

41d) Marcelle PLISSONNEAU DUQUENE.
Mariée avec Albert Roberts.

42) Marie Mc HUGH

43) Laurence Mc HUGH

5) Charles Mc HUGH, né le 17 avril 1857, Castries, Ste Lucie, baptisé le 14 mai 1857, Castries, ste Lucie, décédé le 8 mai 1902, Saint-Pierre (Martinique) (à l'âge de 45 ans).
Marié le 10 décembre 1890, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), avec Rachel Plissonneau Duquène, née le 6 mai 1872, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), décédée le 10 décembre 1950 (à l'âge de 78 ans), dont

51) Emma Mc HUGH, Religieuse.

52) Thérèse Mc HUGH, née le 8 novembre 1893, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédée le 16 mars 1982, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 88 ans). Mariée avec Charles Gallet de Saint-Aurin, né le 12 juillet 1884, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédé le 29 avril 1936, Fort-de-France (à l'âge de 51 ans), notaire, dont

52a) Charles GALLET de SAINT-AURIN né le 23 mars 1915, Le Lamentin, Martinique, décédé le 4 mai 2003, Fort-de-France (à l'âge de 88 ans).
Marié le 10 mai 1941, Fort-de-France, avec Gisèle Blondel La Rougery, née le 6 septembre 1923, Fort-de-France, décédée le 28 janvier 2007, Fort-de-France (à l'âge de 83 ans).

52b) Adrien GALLET de SAINT-AURINné le 11 juin 1916, Le Lamentin (Martinique), décédé le 9 novembre 2012, Paris, inhumé le 16 novembre 2012, cimetière de Bagneux (à l'âge de 96 ans).
Marié le 29 août 1939, Le Carbet (Martinique), avec Thérèse Bally, née le 29 août 1921, Fort-de-France (Martinique).

52c) Marie Louise GALLET de SAINT-AURIN, née le 22 août 1917, décédée le 28 février 2005, Paris (à l'âge de 87 ans), en religion (Soeur Marie Madeleine).

52d) Robert GALLET de SAINT-AURINné le 9 octobre 1919, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédé le 17 mai 1940, Saint-Michel (Aisne), inhumé, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 20 ans), saint-Cyr 1938-39, sous-lieutenant au 116e régiment d'infanterie.

52e) Joseph GALLET de SAINT-AURINné le 8 juin 1922, décédé le 21 août 2015, Hôpital la Meynard, Le Lamentin, Martinique (à l'âge de 93 ans), Ordonné prêtre le 7.10.1951.

52f) Madeleine GALLET de SAINT-AURIN née le 7 novembre 1923.
Mariée avec Marcel Cassius de Linval, né le 13 décembre 1922, décédé le 12 février 1995 (à l'âge de 72 ans).

52g) Pierre GALLET de SAINT-AURIN né le 10 février 1926.
Marié avec Madeleine Fégeat.
Marié avec Jacqueline Mariette, née le 1er mai 1936.

52h) Lucie GALLET de SAINT-AURINnée le 8 mars 1929.
Mariée avec Michel Gautier.

52i) François GALLET de SAINT-AURIN né le 9 mai 1934.
Marié avec Ginette Littée, née le 3 janvier 1939.

53)Lucie Mc HUGH, née le 23 juillet 1895, St Pierre, Martinique, décédée le 6 novembre 1927, Fort de France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 32 ans).
Mariée en 1918, Fort de France (Martinique), avec Léon Gallet de Saint-Aurin, né le 18 décembre 1886, Diamant,Dizac(Martinique), décédé le 16 septembre 1973, Diamant,Dizac(Martinique) (à l'âge de 86 ans), dont

53a) Victor GALLET de SAINT-AURINné le 21 juin 1919, décédé le 18 octobre 1999, (Martinique) (à l'âge de 80 ans).
Marié avec Nelly Mac Hugh, née le 10 juillet 1927.

53b) Emma GALLET de SAINT-AURIN, née le 3 mars 1921, St Esprit-Martinique, décédée le 30 avril 2003, Fort-de-France (Martinique) (à l'âge de 82 ans).
Mariée le 9 mai 1942 avec Joseph Marie, né le 29 janvier 1914, Trois-Ilets,Martinique, décédé le 31 octobre 2004, Redoute,Fort de France (à l'âge de 90 ans).

53c) GabrieL GALLET de SAINT-AURIN né le 4 août 1922, Fort-de-France (Martinique), décédé le 21 juin 1990 (à l'âge de 67 ans).
Marié avec May Assier de Pompignan, née le 24 novembre 1930, décédée le 23 janvier 2008, Diamant, Martinique, inhumée le 25 janvier 2008, Saint-Esprit, Martinique (à l'âge de 77 ans).

53d) Thérèse GALLET de SAINT-AURIN, née le 15 avril 1924, Religieuse Dominicaine.

53e) Marie-Lucie GALLET de SAINT-AURIN, née le 6 novembre 1927, Fort de France (Martinique), décédée le 6 novembre 1927, Fort de France (Martinique).

54) Robert Mc HUGH, né le 26 mai 1899, Saint-Pierre, Martinique.
Marié en 1926, Lamentin, Guadeloupe, avec Marie Littée, née le 29 mai 1907, Saint-Joseph (Martinique), dont

54a) Nelly Mc HUGH, née le 10 juillet 1927.
Mariée avec Victor Gallet de Saint-Aurin, né le 21 juin 1919, décédé le 18 octobre 1999, (Martinique) (à l'âge de 80 ans).

54b) Raymond Mc HUGH né le 23 février 1929, décédé, Martinique.

54c) Marie-Thérèse Mc HUGH, née le 2 octobre 1930, décédée le 15 mars 2011 (à l'âge de 80 ans).
Mariée avec Jean Abreveux.

54d) Gérard, Mc HUGH né le 3 mai 1934, décédé, France.

6) Emily Mc HUGH
Mariée le 17 novembre 1868, Castries (Sainte-Lucie), avec Edward Dix, né, Névis, avocat, dont

6a) Édouard DIX
Marié avec Cécile Assier de Pompignan, née le 2 février 1880, Saint-Pierre (Martinique), voir ci-dessus.

I hope you will be interested in this descendance.

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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Granop » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:15 am

Dear Emmanuel,

Thank you for the information about Charlotte and her descendants. I will go through the list more thoroughly soon, but thought I should respond.

I am an Australian descendant of Guillaume Henri Grano and Henriette Emilie Bellair.

Charlotte (your great great grandmother) was known to her brother (George William Henry Grano) as Sophie Charlotte.

GWH wrote of his family -
“My father and mother had 10 children, all girls with the exception of myself. I was the last born of the family my father died when I was only 13 months old. I only knew three of my sisters, the others having died quite young.

My eldest sister Amelia was twice married. Her first husband Mr Ogston by whom she had three children only one being now alive, Charles. Her second husband was Mr Geo. Brown by whom she had four children. Three are now alive, Mrs Harrietter Hooper, Warren and George. Amelia was twenty years older than myself. My sister Sophie the next one I knew was married to Mr R G McHugh. She has now two daughters and two sons alive. The other sister that I knew is now dead. She was not married but lived until she was 21 years of age.”

GWH married twice. His first wife was Mary Langton. She was from Kilkenny in Ireland. They had 15 children. Their second son was Theodore George and he was my grandfather. Another son, Arthur Langton, died of wounds in France on 13/9/1918.

GWH’s children with Mary Langton were
William Henry (1857-1937)
Theodore George (1859-1932)
Frederick Charles (1861-1925)
Francis John (1863-1863)
Emilie Jane Belair (1864-1919)
Thomas Langton (1866-1949)
Elizabeth (1868-1942)
Henrietta Mary (1869-1874)
Hubert Belair (1871-1927)
Adelphine Blanche (1872-1926)
Ernest Leonard (1874-1953)
Mary Adeline (1877-1960)
Claude Marceau (1879-1954)
Bernard Langton (1878-1879)
Arthur Langton (1882-1918)

He later married Lucinda O’Reilly and they had 5 children
Frances May Josephine (1884-1955)
Sophie (1886-1887)
Beatrice Louise (1887-1956)
Gertrude Genevieve (1889-1963)
George Albert (1891-?)

GWH came to Australia for the gold rush. He began a business selling goods needed to find gold. As the gold rush subsided, he sold timber, iron and other goods. His store was called “The Vine Tree Store” as a grape vine was planted in front in 1873. It lives still. He was mayor of Ararat on 3 occasions, 1866-68, 1873-74 and 1875-76.

It is exciting to hear from you and wonderful that Charlotte has so many descendants.

I am still keen to learn of Jean-Baptiste Grano. Is there anyone you may know who could research him in Martinique or France?

John Hawkins (also from Australia) has postulated a possible link to the trumpeter John Baptiste Grano. This may be so. The name Grano is also linked to the granaries of Sicily which was, for some time, part of the Spanish Kingdom of Aragon. So there may be a Spanish connection, which is what GWH believed and has been received family history in Australia.

I am inclined the think it is more likely he was French though, because of his first name and he was born in Martinique. It was suggested for John Baptiste the trumpeter that he dropped a “t” or “d” at the end of his name. This may be so for my ancestor, Jean-Baptiste, too.

I understand that there was a volcanic eruption in the early 20th century in Martinique that resulted in great destruction. It may be that records are difficult to uncover. I am unsure if it is difficult to find records in France.

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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:21 pm

To Phil Grano

Dear Phil, dear cousin,

It is also very exciting for me to know we have family in Australia ! As you know the name "Grano" was completely forgotten in Martinique were Sophie Grano (Mrs Robert Garraway Mc Hugh) died in 1894. According to me, she was the last one of the family there.(I say "Sophie" now because I thought "Charlotte" was the right surname but it is not according William georges Grano's memories)

As you noticed it, on 8 may 1902, disappeared Saint-Pierre which was a wealthy and very nice old town ( people said "le petit Paris des Antilles" meaning " the little Paris of Caribbean Island") where my great grandmother Lilia Mc Hugh (Mrs Anatole Assier de Pompignan) lived with his children. On 6 may, she decided to join Saint Lucia (another british island where the Mc Hugh family was established) because she was afraid of the volcano "La montagne Pelée" and she left Saint-Pierre with her children (My grand-father Maurice de Pompignan was 13 years old) and the other women and children of the Mc Hugh family ( Assier de Pompignan, Mc Hugh, Plissonneau Duquène) but the men stayed in Saint-Pierre. The town has been completely destroyed by the volcano on the 8 may and all the inhabitants were killed. My grandfather brother in law Gaston Jouye de Grandmaison was killed and many other uncles, aunts, cousins. About 30 000 people died ... All the wealth of the family was lost there (they had buildings and houses) also, with all family memories, portraits, photos, furniture etc... Lilia Mc Hugh was alive but she had all lost. This drama was called "la Catastrophe" ("the disaster").When I was a child, I remember my grandmother speaking with cousins "it was before the disaster, after the disaster"...

But all members of the Grano family had left Dominica a long time ago. I think your ancestor was the last to live there, his sister Sophie Mc Hugh went to Saint Lucia where the Mc Hugh were living (they were irish). As I told you, except Emily who was married to Edward Dix, all the other children were married with french people from Martinique where they went to live there after. No more Mc Hugh in Saint-Lucia now... the name Mc Hugh is going out, only women now in Martinique.

Lilia Mc Hugh (Mrs Anatole de Pompignan) came to France with her last son Maurice de Pompignan (my grandfather) where she died quite quickly. My grandfather was orphan very young and was collected in Paris by his father's sister Blanche de Pompignan (Mrs William Lawless). He made the colonial school then made a career in Africa where he was a governor of the Gabon then the Dahomey (now the Benin) (You can look a notice with a photography on french wikipedia "Charles André Maurice Assier de Pompignan"). he died in 1952 and I didn't know him because I was born in 1958.
He was married to his little cousin Constance de Reynal de St Michel (Her father Georges de Reynal de St Michel and her husband Maurice de Pompignan were first cousins). She was my grandmother, very beautiful lady, very aristocratic, I loved her very much.

So be sure you have many many french cousins especially in Martinique where the families Assier de Pompignan, Plissonneau Duquène, Gallet de Saint-Aurin, etc... are very well known and belong to the white aristocracy of the island. But they are very simple, nice and so friendly ! I went to Martinique last january and like very much this part of my family. A lot of cousins are also in France, in Paris.

I live in Versailles, not far from Paris where I work, with my wife Florence du Peloux de Saint-Romain, and we have 4 children : Antoine (33), Maxime (31), Raphaël (28) and Noémie (25 , she is the only daughter !).

Unfortunately i have no photographs of Sophie Grano (probably burnt in Saint-Pierre), il you had one of Georges Whilliam, I would be very pleased to see it. I can send you a photograph of Lilia Mc Hugh and her children, she was à nice woman.
I suppose Georges William didn't come from Dominica to Australia with family memories...?

I would be very interested in reading your ancestor memories.

Let's keep in touch, sorry for my poor english !

Best regards dear cousin

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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Ian McHugh » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:25 pm

Hello Emmanuel,
You have given a very comprehensive summary of the Grano and McHugh families in Dominica,Martinique and St Lucia and Phil Grano has mentioned Sophie Charlotte's brother coming to Australia (Ararat) in 1849.
Did you know that Sophie Charlotte and Robert Garraway's first son Edward Thomas McHugh also came to Australia some time before 1876.
I am a direct descendant of Edward Thomas (my great grandfather).
I wonder if he communicated with George William Grano?

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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:13 pm

To Ian Mc Hugh

Dear Ian,

Many thanks for your message I was very interested in reading it and very happy to discover that my great grandmother Lilia Mc Hugh (Mrs Anatole Assier de Pompignan) had a brother who was your ancestor. Could you give me details about him and his descendance like I did for his siters and brother ? In fact we are very close together, I am very surprised because I didn' t know that this brother (Georges Thomas) has been married and had children, grandchildren etc... in Australia.

All you could tell me about him and his family would be very very interesting for me. Do you know anything about his ancestors in Dublin ? I have been told that John Mc Hugh and Johanna Mc Cullogh were living in Dublin. But I don't know anything about them and their ancestors. They are known because their surnames and names are written in the marriage licence of William Mc Hugh and Charlotte Grano in Dominica (I have a copy of it if you want to get it).

Many thanks, I hope reading you very soon.

Best regards

Emmanuel
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:18 pm

To Ian Mc Hugh

Sorry, Robert Mc Hugh was married to Charlotte Grano, I have made a mistake telling his surname was William, the right one is Robert.

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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Ian McHugh » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:25 am

Hello Emmanuel,
I am still doing research on Edward Thomas McHugh and will send you some information next week - I am trying to find the name of the ship he arrived on to Australia.
Apart from me and our sons Thomas Vivian and David Michael there are no other McHughs in Australia, in the line from Robert Garraway McHugh and Sophie Charlotte McHugh.
I don't have any information about the Irish ancestors as yet.
Please send me the wedding certificate -that would be great.

Kind Regards

Ian
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:17 am

Dear Ian,

Thanks a lot for your quick answer, If you can send to me all the details (name of Thomas Georges 's wife, his job, name and jobs, marriage of their children, grand children and great grand children...and some details about yourself. The last Mc Hugh in Martinique are some girls and this name is going to disappear there. But many people are descendants of this family which had a very good réputation in west Indies (Ste Lucia, Dominica, Martinique). I have a very nice photo from Lilia Mc Hugh my great grand mother with her children (she was thomas Georges 's sister). I could get from cousins of Martinique a photograph from his brother.

It is great to discover you !

Best regards

Emmanuel
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:02 am

Dear Ian,

I told my mother what you did write to me, she was very interested in knowing more about her grandmother's brother and his family. I hope you will soon write me some details about him !

Best regards

Emmanuel
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Edward Thomas McHugh Australia

Postby Ian McHugh » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:36 pm

Hello Emmanuel,
Here is the information I have been able to find about Edward Thomas McHugh and descendants:
Edward Thomas McHugh was born in Castries on 19 June 1849
He made his way to Australia some time before 1876.
We know this date as he married Ellen Conniry on 1 December 1876 in Melbourne, Australia.
I have attached the file of his marriage certificate.
I don't have any information about Ellen Conniry as she was born in County Galway Ireland
They had four children:
Edward Thomas McHugh b. 28 June 1877 d. March 9 1941(my grandfather)
Ellen Maud McHugh b. 1879 d. 1882
May Anne McHugh died at birth - no record found
John McHugh b.1883 d. 1884
All the children were born in Carlton which was an irish catholic working class suburb of Melbourne then.
Edward Thomas died in Carlton on 19 Feb.1884 from "Congestion of the Lungs"
I have attached his death certificate
I don't know when Ellen Conniry died
Edward's son (Edward) married Mary O'Donoghue on 12 November 1913 in Melbourne
They had two children
Michael Thomas b.16 Oct 1915 (my father) d. 27 July 1968
Molly b. 1916(?) d. 1941 Molly was a nun - I need to do more research on her
The children were born in West Brunswick which is another catholic working class suburb close to Carlton
Michael Thomas married my mother Marcella Kathleen Schell in 1946 - I can't find the marriage certificate
They had two children
Ian Anthony McHugh b. 19 March 1949
Pamela Mary McHugh b. 5 Nov. 1952
We were both born in Ivanhoe which was an outer suburb of Melbourne at the time.
Marcella Kathleen died in 1994
I married Deirdre Martina Kelly in 1980
We have two sons:
Thomas Vivian b. 1984
David Michael b. 1984
both boys were born in Rome where I was working at the time.
I have another son Bryn b. 1984 from another relationship but he uses his mothers surname

So I hope this gives you an overview of the family.
I have more documents I can send and I would appreciate a copy of Robert and Sophie's wedding certificate and any photos you have.
Best Wishes

Ian
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Ian McHugh » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:53 am

Hi Emmanuel,
A couple of corrections from my last email.
David Michael McHugh was born in 1986 not 1984.
I have also found out today that my aunt Molly's real name was Mary Ellen (lots of Marys and Ellens).
Also she was born in 1914.
I will send more information as I get it.

Kind Regards

Ian
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:34 am

To Ian Mc Hugh

Dear Ian,

Many thanks for all details about your famiiy. I notice your great grandfather died very young. Did you know he had some brothers and sisters in Martinique ? All the Mc Hugh family came here and became french as I told you except my grandfather 's sister, Cécile de Pompignan, who was married to Jules Salles-Miquelle, from a french family but established in Castries (Ste Lucia) where their children became english. we don'nt know them now, gone in England and I don't know exactly who is living now of this branch.

I try to send you a photo of my great grandmother Lilia with her children (my grandfather Maurice is the youngest, dressed like a girl with a white dress !)

I will send you Robert and Sophie wedding certificate which is now impossible to get the original has been destroyed by a hurricane in Dominica... but I must find it in all my papers...

Best regards

Emmanuel
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Mme Anantole Assier de Pompignan née Lilia Mc Hugh et ses enfants.jpeg
Lilia Mac Hugh (Mrs Anatole de Pompignan)
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Re: GRANO, BRODBELT - Martinique, Dominica, St. Kitts/Nevis

Postby Emmanuel Rougier » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:38 pm

To Ian Mac Hugh

Dear cousin, I have found your ancestor 's baptism and the wedding licence of Robert Mc Hugh and Charlotte Grano.

Please tell me if you have got it correctly

Best regards

Emmanuel
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Mariage Robert Mc Hugh et sophie Charlotte Grano.jpeg
Wedding Licence Robert Mac Hugh and Sophie Charlotte Grano
Baptème Edouard Thomas Mc Hugh .jpeg
Baptism Edouard Thomas Mac Hugh
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