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HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:50 pm
by DOC
I am interested in the Hitzler family who came from St.Martin to British Guiana. Sarah Halman HITZLER married Henry Beckles GALL and their daughter Clara Augusta GALL married James Shanks HITZLER. James was Registrar General for BG.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ocarroll/gallresources.html#demarary

Re: HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:04 pm
by philip_uk
From familysearch I am discovering with great surprise that my ggrandmother, Rosalie Ada Louise Wilson, appears to be bapt. 19 Oct 1877 in Barbados the daughter of a Julia Gall and Frederick George Wilson. I believe that I have found a sister of hers from the UK census and who was given the name Hitzler, Maud Julie Hitzler Wilson b. c1874. Maud gave the name to her son Frederick Hitzler Woollatt. Maud gives her birthplace as Helensburgh, Scotland whereas Rosalie and their mother give theirs as Barbados.

I have found two possible bapt. for Julia Gall:

1)
parents: Henry Beckless Gall, Sarah Holman Margaret
name: Julia Gall
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 12 Oct 1843
baptism/christening place: SAINT MICHAEL,BARBADOES,CARIBBEAN
father's name: Henry Beckless Gall
mother's name: Sarah Holman Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C51395-5
system origin: Caribbean-ODM
source film number: 1157927

2)

parents:
name: Julia Maria Gall
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 May 1852
baptism/christening place: SAINT MICHAEL,BARBADOES,CARIBBEAN
mother's name: Elizabeth Gall
indexing project (batch) number: C51384-2
system origin: Caribbean-ODM
source film number: 1157964

The 1843 birth would make her older than typical when starting a family in 1874, but would nicely make the Hitzler connection with the mother and your Julia b. 21 Sep 1843.

A birth of 1852 would be more in line, but the second given name, Maria, is wrong - she gives her name later in life as Julia Rosalie. Only the mother's name is given (Elizabeth) - could this be Catherine Elizabeth in your tree?

Not sure where that leaves us! I'm still trying to work out which dots to join. Perhaps there are other Hitzler connections that we do not know about.

How did you obtain the birth dates - I have only seen bapt/chris details in familysearch.org.

Regards, philip_uk.

Re: HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:30 am
by DOC
Philip

There certainly seem to be connections between our families. I have been in contact with descendants of Henry Willson and Henrietta Gall (Julia's sister). I have copied your posting to Tony Willson to see if he can make any connections on the Willson side.

The dates for Julia's BIRTH (rather than baptism) comes from a family tree written in 1831 by Henry Beckles Gall but added to by him listing his children. Someone else added the dates of birth. I also have a handwritten list of these children with some minor discrepancies but still giving Julia's birth as Sept 21 1843. In my records I have noted that Julia married a Mr Radford. Also that she died in Nottingham. This information was recounted by Edith Gall to a genealogist in Barbados in 1952 so this was from memory rather than a written record. It is quite possible that Mr Radford was elderly and she was widowed early before marrying Mr Wilson. She seemed sure about Nottingham - does that make sense to you?

I have no record of Julia Mary Gall nor her mother Elizabeth Gall. I have been transcribing some Barbados records for FamilySearch and have noticed many baptisms to Apprenticed workers where the father is not mentioned. It could be that this Elizabeth was a freed slave. Some of the Galls were slave owners including an Elizabeth Gall who is recorded as having over 70 slaves in the Slave Registers

I wouldn't worry about the age of first birth for Julia - her sister Henrietta was born in 1838 and her first child was born in 1869.

Catherine Elizabeth Gall married Cumberbach Chandler in 1849.

I have published a histroy of the Gall family http://ocarroll.familytreeguide.com/accounts/ocarroll/histories/A%20family%20history%20of%20the%20Galls.pdf

Re: HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:27 pm
by DOC
Philip

Tony has replied as follows:



Hello David,

Frederick George Willson was the youngest brother of Henry Willson who married Henrietta Gall. Born in 1850, he married Julia Gall, born 21 September 1843, according to Henry Beckles Gall.; baptised 12 October. Henry's wife was Sarah Halman Margaret Hitzler. Henry's youngest was Evalina Hitzler, born 11 June 1853, died 2 October 1884. There were other Hitzlers about in Barbados at that time, I think.

I have no records for Julia Maria Gall.

All the best,

Tony

Re: HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:30 pm
by philip_uk
Apologies if this is duplicate posting - I thought I had submitted it yesterday, but it has not appeared.


David,
Thank you for yours and Tony's replies. This is quite exciting, the Radford and Nottingham recollection seems to definitely tie in my ggrandmother Julia. My mother knew her as a little girl, but knew nothing of her past. We are just discovering it as I have trawled the censuses and BMD's.
I don't know how much you are interested, so I will just summarise what I believe to be the history. I have yet to collate it properly.

1) Julia Rosalie Gall m. Frederick George Wilson (no record found)
3 or 4 daughters
- Maud Julie Hitzler Wilson. From census data: b. c1874 Helensburgh, Scotland
- Mary Rowena Trollove Wilson bapt. 30 Nov 1875 Barbados
- Ina? Rosina? (or perhaps the above Rowena) From census data: b. c1876 Kensington, London
- Rosalie Ada Louise Wilson, bapt. 19 Oct 1877 Barbados

2) Julia Rosalie Gall m. Joseph Radford Q1 1882 in Nottingham.
Joseph b. c1823 had been widowed with 3 grown up children.
They appear in 1891 UK census:
Address: 23, Colville Street, St Mary, Nottingham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
________________________________________
RADFORD, Joseph Head Married M 69 1822 Inspector Of Weights & Measures Melbourne,Derbyshire
RADFORD, Julia R Wife Married F 40 1851 Barbadoes, West Indies
WILSON, Maud Stepdaughter Single F 17 1874 Pupil Teacher Helensburgh, Scotland
WILSON, ? Stepdaughter Single F 15 1876 Pupil Teacher Kensington, London
WILSON, Ada Stepdaughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar Barbadoes, West Indies
DEXTER, Annie Servant Single F 19 1872 General Servant Codnor Park, Derbyshire

3) Maud married George Henry Woollatt
children:
Norah Woollatt (allegedly bursar of Rodean College)
Frederick Hitzler Woollatt
John Leonard Woollatt

4) Rosalie was still living with her mother and stepfather in the 1901 census. The second sister does not appear at that home. Joseph died Q3 1907.

5) Rosalie m. William Brown Pollock (a widower) 28 Jun 1904 in St Andrews Church, Nottingham. Her name on the copy certificate is recorded both as Wilson and Willson and see son's name below. 'Rosa' Radford was a witness. They were married by William's brother.
Which are my mother's grandparents and known to her. But her Barbados roots were not.
3 children:
POLLOCK Willson
POLLOCK, Rosalie Ina
POLLOCK, Dorothea
Rosalie d. 1 Feb 1946 and is buried with her mother, d. 11 Aug 1924, in Cheadle cemetery (S Manchester) where Rev. William was Rector.
Her mother's name is given as Julia Rosalie and (I think) the age of death 77.


There are some mysteries in this -
- Whence Frederick George Wilson? (Does Tony already have this? Do we know his occupation?)
- Where did Julia (Rosalie) Gall and Frederick George Wilson meet and marry?
- Where did Frederick George Wilson die? Probably not in England otherwise Julia would be buried with him.
- What brought Julia (Rosalie) Gall to Nottingham or England rather than remaining in Barbados? I have not found her in the 1881 census.
- Julia (Rosalie) has a variable birth year - 1843 in the bapt records, 1851 in the census, and 1847 from her grave inscription - but she must be the same one as your tree.
- How come Maud was born in Scotland and the second daughter in Kensington?
- It is not clear if Mary Rowena Trollove Wilson was the person my mother heard referred to as "Ina" and believed to be Rosalie Ada Louse's sister. The name on the 1891 census has been corrected and is unclear. It could well be Rowena. I have yet to track her down beyond this.

Hope this is of interest, Philip.

Re: HITZLER, GALL - St. Martin and British Guiana

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:50 pm
by DOC
WILLSON  & WILSON, BECKLES, DUDLEY, CADE,  LOVELY & GALL

Some family background from Tony Willson

Note: most of the narrative below can be verified from records, eg: the Diaries and Journals (1889-1942) and other papers of Henry Beckles Willson; Tapestry of War, Sandra Gwyn, Harper Collins, 1993, Northcliffe, by Reginald Pound & Geoffrey Harmsworth, 1959, From Quebec to Piccadilly, Beckles Willson, Jonathan Cape, 1929 (a highly romanticised autobiography); Parish records and Census records from Lincoln and Durham Public Libraries; Beckles of Barbados, Journal of the Barbados Museum Historical Society, Bridgetown, 1944; and a number of miscellaneous letters, family trees and other earlier documents in my possession including a Gall family pedigree drawn in 1831.

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The Willsons

On 4 May 1805 John Willson (bap 22 Feb1784), of Welton-by-Lincoln married Elizabeth Lovely, a girl from the neighbouring parish of Faldingworth. Elizabeth had actually been born in a small village called Rand (with Fulnetby), near Wragby a few miles east of Lincoln, where her parents George Loveley and Ann née Toyn lived. The marriage was in Welton Church, witnessed by Zachariah Willson (1785-1815), John's younger brother, and Matthew Coo the parish clerk.

John was actually born at Bishop Norton, a few miles to the north of Welton, where his family had been settled for several generations. His parents, John and Anne, née Johnson married in 1782. John’s father, Zachariah (1734-80) was the Parish Clerk at Bishop Norton and was the son of Job (Bap 10 Oct 1703) and Anne

John was described on later baptismal entries as a weaver, later a labourer. But, until recently the evidence about his background and marriage could be described as myth embroidered by invention. There was a story handed down to me by my Aunt Kitty that John had eloped with the daughter of the local squire, Sir Anthony Lovelace (or was it Richard?). Well, most legends contain a grain of fact: Elizabeth's father was actually described as a “servant man” on his marriage entry and his new wife Ann as a “servant woman”. Elizabeth was the fourth of their nine children, baptised at Rand on 7 December 1786.

John died in 1844 at Welton, aged 60 and described as a weaver. Elizabeth lived until 1862, dying aged 77. In the 1861 Census she was described as "independent", living at 55 The Cliff, Welton with her widowed daughter Ann. Ann had been born in 1809. There was a daughter Sarah born in 1807 and a third daughter Mary born in 1811. A further seven children were baptised: Zechariah in 1813, Stephen in 1815, Robert in 1817, Eliza in 1820, George in 1822, Elizabeth in 1824 and James in 1827. Ann herself was Ann Morris, apparently a widow in 1861 and farming 253 acres. Two sons, Robert and Charles Morris were at home and there were five servants living in the household: a housekeeper, a house servant, two agricultural workers and a groom. Clearly Ann had bettered herself: this farm appears to have been a substantial holding for the time. She may have been a tenant: by the 1773 Enclosure Award the land had been awarded to Dame Anne Cust (1685-1789), widow of Sir Richard Cust, 2nd Baronet, and a daughter of Sir William Brownlow from Belton.

The farmhouse exists today (empty in June 2007), east of Ermine Street (A15). The name derives from the escarpment known as Lincoln Cliff which runs north-south to the west of Ermine Street from Ancaster in the south to Witheringham on the banks of the Humber to the north. Here the land falls steeply to the west from about 60 metres above sea level to 6 metres. The feature has lent the name to a number of properties along its line. An airfield, RAF Scampton, was built here in 1916, originally known as Brattleby Cliff. Extension of the runway in 1935 led to a realignment of Ermine Street at this point, probably on to part of the farm land of Welton Cliff. T E Lawrence (as Aircraftman Shaw) recounted racing along the road on his Brough motorcycle in competition with an airplane, in about 1924.

John, the first fruit of the marriage of Elizabeth and John was born in February 1806. He received more than a village education, probably at the Bluecoat School in Lincoln, with which Welton had an endowed connection: it was founded by Dr Richard Smith (c1530-1602), Lord of the Manor of Potterhanworth who was buried at Welton. John went to work for a local solicitor, Mr Robert Swan in Lincoln. He married a girl from Lincoln called Mary Cade on 21 February 1831 at the Church of St Michael on the Mount and by 1851 had become Robert Swan's managing Clerk and the father of eight children. A ninth was born in the following year. In the 1861 Census John described himself as "Solicitors' Chief Clerk in Court of Probate".

The ninth was Louisa who later married an architect, Professor Edwin Walter Clarke. He apparently was given the chair of Architecture at Nottingham University by the influence of Jesse Boot because he was related to the inventor of Clarke's Blood Mixture; a product of great value to Boots the Chemists. Jesse was a benefactor of Nottingham University. Apparently Clarke had an unsuccessful career, blighted by drink, he lost all his money and abandoned his family. He is said to have designed a house for his wife's brother-in-law, Edwin Brown. Edwin became Sheriff of Lincoln and married Emma, another daughter of John and Mary Willson.

Henry, their sixth child was born in June 1844 at no 4 Castle Hill opposite the Judge's lodgings. In the 1861 Census, aged nearly 17, he was described as a "Commercial Clerk in the Railway”. Later, he apparently joined the Allen (Shipping) Line and went to America and, later still, Canada with his older brother, Robert.

Henry, Henrietta

In 1868 he married Henrietta Gall, she being six years older than him. There were three (surviving?) children from this marriage: Henry Beckles (Beckles Willson) born in Montreal on 26 August 1869, Robert Cade Wilson (Uncle Rob), born 25 November 1870 and Etta Rosalie (Aunt Rose), born 28 February 1878. Henry died, at Colborne, on 19 February 1878, of consumption, nine days before Aunt Rose was born. Henrietta was left virtually destitute with two young sons and a new born baby, at the age of 40.

It is not clear how Henrietta actually managed. She may have received help from her family: there were certainly a lot of Galls around and they were well-to-do. But there was a limit to the amount of support available. They had been living since 1874, in Colborne (now renamed Port Colburne), on Lake Ontario but later moved to Boston where Henrietta died on 29 April 1887. She was only 49 and her children aged 18, 16 and 9. It is conjecture, but probably the Gall family continued to help out: certainly there was a strong bond with Henrietta's younger sister Clara Augusta (Aunt Clare in HBW's diaries), whose second marriage was to Gordon Turner, a director of the Bank of England. Apparently her first marriage, at the age of 16, was to a James Shanks Hitzaler,he aged 60. He died, but during their marriage she apparently enjoyed sharing in the precedence on formal occasions to which he was entitled by virtue of his position, Registrar General for the West Indies.

The Galls

I was told, by my Great-Aunt Ada Wilson that Henrietta married late on account of an earlier tragedy in her life. She was engaged to be married and, one Sunday opened the lid of the family piano. A maid in the room reproved her for doing this on the Sabbath saying she would shortly hear bad news. Shortly after she heard that her fiancée had been drowned at sea. This story is, at best, apocryphal, although persuasive.

The Galls were a prominent Barbados family, connected to the Alleyne and the Beckles families (who went over from Durham in the middle of the 17th Century). They may originally have come from Elgin. Henry Beckles Gall had married a lady called Sarah Halman Margaret Hitzler (of the same family?) and they had twelve children between 1827 and 1853. Henrietta was the sixth. Henry Beckles Gall died in 1863 before Henrietta's marriage to Henry Willson. Her mother apparently went later to live in Victoria, British Columbia, dying there in 1887. Her origins are unknown but an ancestor, Zimprecht Hitzler, had been awarded a Grant of Arms by the Emperor Maximilian on 16 September 1499 at Villingen: there is a modern transcript of the document. It is not clear, though possible, that the Hitzlers were Dutch, Holland being part of the Holy Roman Empire and there being a strong Dutch presence in the West Indies later.

Henry Beckles Gall lived in a mansion named Dalkeith, in Bridgetown, which survives as the headquarters of the Barbados Mutual Life Assurance Society of which he became the first Chief Actuary.

One of Henry’s daughters, Julia, born 21 September 1843 married Henry Willson’s youngest brother, Frederick George, born in 1850. So three of the Willson men of that generation went over to Barbados and Canada, two of them marrying Gall daughters.