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TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:43 am
by caquart
Looking particularly for information on Philip Ryder Tivy born Co. Cork Ireland 1845 and his descendants. Lived in Clarendon, possibly in the Milk River area. Had at least 2 sons, Ernest Bury Tivy (mother unknown) and Philip Ryder Tivy. His wife's first name was possibly Charlotte.

Two other brothers from Ireland also went to Jamaica in the 1860s:

St. Leger Tivy, who was a police inspector. He retired to his farm at Pedro, St. Ann. His wife's name was Catherine McGrath, daughter of George McGrath.

Charles Payne Tivy, who was a civil servant in Spanish town. He married Mary Jane Shaw, daughter of Gilbert Shaw.

Other surnames connected with the Jamaica Tivys are: Aquart, Burke, Eby, Gelbach, Leach, McRae, McGrath, Martin, Pearce, Shaw, Sheldon.

Re: TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:22 pm
by ChuckM
I am sorry, but I can't help you directly with Charles Ryder Tivy. I am curious, though, on the connection to the Pearce family. Can you share a name or names for the Pearce connection?

Thanks

Chuck

Re: TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:21 am
by caquart
Hi Chuck,

Nina Tivy born 7 September 1885, daughter of St. Leger Aldworth George Tivy and his wife Catherine Eliza McGrath, married Paye McLeod Pearce in 1921. Paye was the son of James Pearce and his wife Alice Arrow. Here was the piece from the Gleaner:

Jamaica Gleaner: 28 December, 1920

A marriage has been arranged between Captain P.M. Pearce R.G.A. and Nina, second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. St. Leger Tivy

Let me know if you'd like any additional information.

Cathy

Re: TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:47 am
by caquart
Hi Again Chuck,

I should point out that St. Leger Tivy was at one point an inspector in the Jamaica constabulary and I notice from your post that your Pearce was also in the constabulary. Could this be significant? I don't have an Ancestry subscription at the moment, but here are my details from the 1891 census for PM Pearce. Notice his father's place of birth. It's a long shot, but if you are able why don't you check to see if perhaps your Pearce might be James C. Pearce's brother?

1891 Census
PEARCE, Paye Maclead
BRENTFORD, Middlesex
RG12 piece 1030 folio 155 page 18

Also living in the house are:

1. James C. Pearce, aged 38, his father, solicitor, permanently retained in the service of HRH The Prince of Wales as Steward of the Duchy of Cornwall, born Kensington, St. Mary Abbots
2. Alice M. A. Pearce, 37 born Secunderabad, India
3. Madeline A. Pearce, aged 7, born Lewisham, Kent
4. Alice S. Arrow, aged 63. mother-in-law, living on her own means
5. Mary Andrews, 51, domestic servant (nurse)
6. Emma Franham, 17, domestic servant (cook)

Re: TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:32 pm
by ChuckM
Hi Cathy,

Thank you. There may be a connection, but it would be further removed than James C. Pearce. My Pearce relatives first appeared in Jamaica in 1817 with William Pearce, a planter. William married Charlotte Martin and had four children during the 1840's. Unfortunately, I don't have any data on my Pearce relatives prior to 1817 and am not sure where in England they came from or when the first family members arrived in Jamaica. They were all out of Jamaica by 1917, with the last, Frank Leopold Pearce, retiring to Canada. Frank worked as a civil servant, serving in the Colonial Secretary's office at the time he retired. I have found a few clues that suggest they came from the Yorkshire region, but they are tenuous at best. Saying that, I never overlook a coincidence. I'll keep my eyes open as I continue my research and let you know if I uncover anything.

Thanks again.

Best,

Chuck

Re: TIVY - Jamaica, Clarendon, St. Catherine, St. Ann

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:06 am
by caquart
Thanks for the extra details Chuck. Happy hunting!

Cathy